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		<title>By: Froog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Froog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an undergraduate, I studied Greek philosophy.  Plato referred to the defining characteristic of something, its essential &lt;i&gt;-ness&lt;/i&gt; abstracted from any particular physical manifestations of the thing, as a &lt;i&gt;Form&lt;/i&gt;.  I recall reading one commentary where the author, perhaps unwisely, had chosen to use the notation &lt;i&gt;F&lt;/i&gt; to stand for the &lt;i&gt;Form&lt;/i&gt; of something, leading to much faintly risible rumination on what constituted the &lt;i&gt;F&lt;/i&gt;-ness of, for example, a table.  Or a clock.  In this author&#039;s view, the fundamental question posed by Socrates was, &quot;What is it that makes &lt;i&gt;F&lt;/i&gt; things &lt;i&gt;F&lt;/i&gt;?

One wag had written in the margin, &quot;How the &lt;i&gt;F***&lt;/i&gt; should I know?&quot;&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11904&#039;,&#039;Froog&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11904&#039;,&#039;Froog&#039;,&#039;As an undergraduate, I studied Greek philosophy.  Plato referred to the defining characteristic of something, its essential &lt;i&gt;-ness&lt;\/i&gt; abstracted from any particular physical manifestations of the thing, as a &lt;i&gt;Form&lt;\/i&gt;.  I recall reading one commentary where the author, perhaps unwisely, had chosen to use the notation &lt;i&gt;F&lt;\/i&gt; to stand for the &lt;i&gt;Form&lt;\/i&gt; of something, leading to much faintly risible rumination on what constituted the &lt;i&gt;F&lt;\/i&gt;-ness of, for example, a table.  Or a clock.  In this author\&#039;s view, the fundamental question posed by Socrates was, \&quot;What is it that makes &lt;i&gt;F&lt;\/i&gt; things &lt;i&gt;F&lt;\/i&gt;?\r\n\r\nOne wag had written in the margin, \&quot;How the &lt;i&gt;F***&lt;\/i&gt; should I know?\&quot;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an undergraduate, I studied Greek philosophy.  Plato referred to the defining characteristic of something, its essential <i>-ness</i> abstracted from any particular physical manifestations of the thing, as a <i>Form</i>.  I recall reading one commentary where the author, perhaps unwisely, had chosen to use the notation <i>F</i> to stand for the <i>Form</i> of something, leading to much faintly risible rumination on what constituted the <i>F</i>-ness of, for example, a table.  Or a clock.  In this author&#8217;s view, the fundamental question posed by Socrates was, &#8220;What is it that makes <i>F</i> things <i>F</i>?</p>
<p>One wag had written in the margin, &#8220;How the <i>F***</i> should I know?&#8221;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11904','Froog'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11904','Froog','As an undergraduate, I studied Greek philosophy.  Plato referred to the defining characteristic of something, its essential &lt;i&gt;-ness&lt;\/i&gt; abstracted from any particular physical manifestations of the thing, as a &lt;i&gt;Form&lt;\/i&gt;.  I recall reading one commentary where the author, perhaps unwisely, had chosen to use the notation &lt;i&gt;F&lt;\/i&gt; to stand for the &lt;i&gt;Form&lt;\/i&gt; of something, leading to much faintly risible rumination on what constituted the &lt;i&gt;F&lt;\/i&gt;-ness of, for example, a table.  Or a clock.  In this author\'s view, the fundamental question posed by Socrates was, \&quot;What is it that makes &lt;i&gt;F&lt;\/i&gt; things &lt;i&gt;F&lt;\/i&gt;?\r\n\r\nOne wag had written in the margin, \&quot;How the &lt;i&gt;F***&lt;\/i&gt; should I know?\&quot;'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://johnesimpson.com/blog/2009/12/non-holiday-holiday-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-11857</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jules:&lt;/strong&gt; I loved the lists of clockish words... 

When I was in college, a history professor&#039;s lecture once centered on how people came to think of things as &lt;em&gt;those&lt;/em&gt; things -- whatever they are -- as opposed to any others. Consider a table, he said. Nowadays, if you asked someone what makes something a table as opposed to, well, a bench or something, s/he would get into the various uses to which tables (vs. benches) were put. But in the Middle Ages (I believe he said), a person would say that a table is a table &quot;because it partakes of tableness.&quot; 

...which reminiscence was triggered when I saw that the ogress had looked into specialists dealing with -- as well as &quot;clockism, clockship, clockdom, clockation, clockition, and clockhood&quot; -- &lt;em&gt;clockness&lt;/em&gt;.

(Admit it. You were wondering where I was going with that, weren&#039;t you???)

&lt;strong&gt;cynth:&lt;/strong&gt; You can read &quot;The Veldt&quot; online &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.veddma.com/veddma/Veldt.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, if you don&#039;t mind small green print on a black background. If you DO mind it, of course, there are numerous ways to fix that...

&quot;Nebulous and scary&quot; is always good for me, too. The Missus and I were talking recently about the film of Stephen King&#039;s &quot;The Mist.&quot; We both liked that, although the ending was pretty bleak; she told me that the short story/novella (which I haven&#039;t read) ends in a completely open-ended way -- I think I&#039;d prefer that ending to the one the movie gave us.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11857&#039;,&#039;John&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11857&#039;,&#039;John&#039;,&#039;&lt;strong&gt;Jules:&lt;\/strong&gt; I loved the lists of clockish words... \r\n\r\nWhen I was in college, a history professor\&#039;s lecture once centered on how people came to think of things as &lt;em&gt;those&lt;\/em&gt; things -- whatever they are -- as opposed to any others. Consider a table, he said. Nowadays, if you asked someone what makes something a table as opposed to, well, a bench or something, s\/he would get into the various uses to which tables (vs. benches) were put. But in the Middle Ages (I believe he said), a person would say that a table is a table \&quot;because it partakes of tableness.\&quot; \r\n\r\n...which reminiscence was triggered when I saw that the ogress had looked into specialists dealing with -- as well as \&quot;clockism, clockship, clockdom, clockation, clockition, and clockhood\&quot; -- &lt;em&gt;clockness&lt;\/em&gt;.\r\n\r\n(Admit it. You were wondering where I was going with that, weren\&#039;t you???)\r\n\r\n&lt;strong&gt;cynth:&lt;\/strong&gt; You can read \&quot;The Veldt\&quot; online &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.veddma.com\/veddma\/Veldt.htm\&quot; target=\&quot;_blank\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;here&lt;\/a&gt;, if you don\&#039;t mind small green print on a black background. If you DO mind it, of course, there are numerous ways to fix that...\r\n\r\n\&quot;Nebulous and scary\&quot; is always good for me, too. The Missus and I were talking recently about the film of Stephen King\&#039;s \&quot;The Mist.\&quot; We both liked that, although the ending was pretty bleak; she told me that the short story\/novella (which I haven\&#039;t read) ends in a completely open-ended way -- I think I\&#039;d prefer that ending to the one the movie gave us.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jules:</strong> I loved the lists of clockish words&#8230; </p>
<p>When I was in college, a history professor&#8217;s lecture once centered on how people came to think of things as <em>those</em> things &#8212; whatever they are &#8212; as opposed to any others. Consider a table, he said. Nowadays, if you asked someone what makes something a table as opposed to, well, a bench or something, s/he would get into the various uses to which tables (vs. benches) were put. But in the Middle Ages (I believe he said), a person would say that a table is a table &#8220;because it partakes of tableness.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8230;which reminiscence was triggered when I saw that the ogress had looked into specialists dealing with &#8212; as well as &#8220;clockism, clockship, clockdom, clockation, clockition, and clockhood&#8221; &#8212; <em>clockness</em>.</p>
<p>(Admit it. You were wondering where I was going with that, weren&#8217;t you???)</p>
<p><strong>cynth:</strong> You can read &#8220;The Veldt&#8221; online <a href="http://www.veddma.com/veddma/Veldt.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a>, if you don&#8217;t mind small green print on a black background. If you DO mind it, of course, there are numerous ways to fix that&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Nebulous and scary&#8221; is always good for me, too. The Missus and I were talking recently about the film of Stephen King&#8217;s &#8220;The Mist.&#8221; We both liked that, although the ending was pretty bleak; she told me that the short story/novella (which I haven&#8217;t read) ends in a completely open-ended way &#8212; I think I&#8217;d prefer that ending to the one the movie gave us.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11857','John'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11857','John','&lt;strong&gt;Jules:&lt;\/strong&gt; I loved the lists of clockish words... \r\n\r\nWhen I was in college, a history professor\'s lecture once centered on how people came to think of things as &lt;em&gt;those&lt;\/em&gt; things -- whatever they are -- as opposed to any others. Consider a table, he said. Nowadays, if you asked someone what makes something a table as opposed to, well, a bench or something, s\/he would get into the various uses to which tables (vs. benches) were put. But in the Middle Ages (I believe he said), a person would say that a table is a table \&quot;because it partakes of tableness.\&quot; \r\n\r\n...which reminiscence was triggered when I saw that the ogress had looked into specialists dealing with -- as well as \&quot;clockism, clockship, clockdom, clockation, clockition, and clockhood\&quot; -- &lt;em&gt;clockness&lt;\/em&gt;.\r\n\r\n(Admit it. You were wondering where I was going with that, weren\'t you???)\r\n\r\n&lt;strong&gt;cynth:&lt;\/strong&gt; You can read \&quot;The Veldt\&quot; online &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.veddma.com\/veddma\/Veldt.htm\&quot; target=\&quot;_blank\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;here&lt;\/a&gt;, if you don\'t mind small green print on a black background. If you DO mind it, of course, there are numerous ways to fix that...\r\n\r\n\&quot;Nebulous and scary\&quot; is always good for me, too. The Missus and I were talking recently about the film of Stephen King\'s \&quot;The Mist.\&quot; We both liked that, although the ending was pretty bleak; she told me that the short story\/novella (which I haven\'t read) ends in a completely open-ended way -- I think I\'d prefer that ending to the one the movie gave us.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: cynth</title>
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		<dc:creator>cynth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jules brings up a good thought. What were the stories we remember from our younger days? I read a Science Fiction story called &quot;The Time of The Great Freeze&quot;. I must have read it dozens of times. The last time I checked it was out of print, but I still remember the description of the world in a deep freeze. And the first time I read The Veldt, that great short story by Bradbury.  I loved stories like that with endings that are sort of nebulous and scary.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11818&#039;,&#039;cynth&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11818&#039;,&#039;cynth&#039;,&#039;Jules brings up a good thought. What were the stories we remember from our younger days? I read a Science Fiction story called \&quot;The Time of The Great Freeze\&quot;. I must have read it dozens of times. The last time I checked it was out of print, but I still remember the description of the world in a deep freeze. And the first time I read The Veldt, that great short story by Bradbury.  I loved stories like that with endings that are sort of nebulous and scary.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jules brings up a good thought. What were the stories we remember from our younger days? I read a Science Fiction story called &#8220;The Time of The Great Freeze&#8221;. I must have read it dozens of times. The last time I checked it was out of print, but I still remember the description of the world in a deep freeze. And the first time I read The Veldt, that great short story by Bradbury.  I loved stories like that with endings that are sort of nebulous and scary.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11818','cynth'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11818','cynth','Jules brings up a good thought. What were the stories we remember from our younger days? I read a Science Fiction story called \&quot;The Time of The Great Freeze\&quot;. I must have read it dozens of times. The last time I checked it was out of print, but I still remember the description of the world in a deep freeze. And the first time I read The Veldt, that great short story by Bradbury.  I loved stories like that with endings that are sort of nebulous and scary.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, that had me laughing outloud in spots. 

And where can I get an old inspirationalist  to keep me from worrying about stuff that isn&#039;t worth worrying about? 

I&#039;m embarrassed that I went to look up psychronologist, just in case it was a real thing I just didn&#039;t know. 

I love to hear which stories from childhood stick with people. When I was young, my brother and I saw a short film adaptation (on HBO, of all places) of Ray Bradbury&#039;s short story, &quot;All Summer in a Day,&quot; and it haunted us. It wasn&#039;t till I was a teen that I tracked down the story. 

And I love the notion of your teacher stopping to laugh at what he was reading to you all.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11801&#039;,&#039;Jules&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11801&#039;,&#039;Jules&#039;,&#039;Okay, that had me laughing outloud in spots. \r\n\r\nAnd where can I get an old inspirationalist  to keep me from worrying about stuff that isn\&#039;t worth worrying about? \r\n\r\nI\&#039;m embarrassed that I went to look up psychronologist, just in case it was a real thing I just didn\&#039;t know. \r\n\r\nI love to hear which stories from childhood stick with people. When I was young, my brother and I saw a short film adaptation (on HBO, of all places) of Ray Bradbury\&#039;s short story, \&quot;All Summer in a Day,\&quot; and it haunted us. It wasn\&#039;t till I was a teen that I tracked down the story. \r\n\r\nAnd I love the notion of your teacher stopping to laugh at what he was reading to you all.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, that had me laughing outloud in spots. </p>
<p>And where can I get an old inspirationalist  to keep me from worrying about stuff that isn&#8217;t worth worrying about? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m embarrassed that I went to look up psychronologist, just in case it was a real thing I just didn&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>I love to hear which stories from childhood stick with people. When I was young, my brother and I saw a short film adaptation (on HBO, of all places) of Ray Bradbury&#8217;s short story, &#8220;All Summer in a Day,&#8221; and it haunted us. It wasn&#8217;t till I was a teen that I tracked down the story. </p>
<p>And I love the notion of your teacher stopping to laugh at what he was reading to you all.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11801','Jules'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11801','Jules','Okay, that had me laughing outloud in spots. \r\n\r\nAnd where can I get an old inspirationalist  to keep me from worrying about stuff that isn\'t worth worrying about? \r\n\r\nI\'m embarrassed that I went to look up psychronologist, just in case it was a real thing I just didn\'t know. \r\n\r\nI love to hear which stories from childhood stick with people. When I was young, my brother and I saw a short film adaptation (on HBO, of all places) of Ray Bradbury\'s short story, \&quot;All Summer in a Day,\&quot; and it haunted us. It wasn\'t till I was a teen that I tracked down the story. \r\n\r\nAnd I love the notion of your teacher stopping to laugh at what he was reading to you all.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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