At least in the drafts I’ve done so far, the work-in-progress, Grail, uses a rotating point of view from mostly elderly characters. Because I’m not elderly yet myself (though I will be if I don’t work on it faster!), and knock on wood still fairly healthy, it’s tricky to tell the stories from inside the heads of people whose experiences I can’t yet report first-hand.
Not that I’m looking forward to any of these psychological and physical experiences, but I’m forced to wonder: What does it feel like to have a stroke or heart attack, to start losing one’s memory, or to fall, be unable to get up, and have no little LifeCall pendant to summon aid? How does it feel to long for the company of not just one or two, but a lot of people who’ve passed on before you? How easy or difficult is it to shed preconceived notions you’ve clung to for sixty or seventy years — do you even know you still cling to them?
(The hardest characters to write are the ones you’ve never experienced from the inside. Which is why most writers start out with protagonists of the same sex and cultural background as the authors’ own, of no greater age. Disaffected adolescents, anybody?)
In the course of looking around for information — anecdotal as well as scientific and medical — about the experience of growing old, I came across an article on Slate from this past May, headlined Forever Young; the subtitle spells it out for us: Books and Web sites about how to avoid getting old, or at least looking old. The author, Emily Yoffe, describes a “two-prong strategy for trying to stop time. The first is to find the right combination of food, exercise, supplements, and medical interventions to extend your life into triple digits.”
Which leads her to write of the work of the Methuselah Foundation:
…headed by Cambridge University Ph.D. Aubrey de Grey (who himself has a Methuselah-looking, though not gray, chest-long beard). De Grey believes science will soon be able to achieve his goal of a human lifespan of 1,000 years. This is not because he likes to envision the feuds that will erupt over whose house the great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren will spend Thanksgiving at, but because he sees aging as a form of “slaughter” of once-productive people.
(That’s the earnest Dr. de Grey in the photo at the right.)
So I went to the Methuselah Foundation’s Web site.
I confess I am not sure what to make of statements like this (question #5 and its answer, on the page of questions about the foundation’s timeframe):
How long can I/my children expect to live?
Clearly that depends how old you/they are, but I feel able to give a pretty definite prediction relative to the previous milestone. I claim that the average age of death of those born in wealthy nations no sooner than 40 years before the achievement of [the first human rejuvenation therapies] will exceed 5000 years.
The timeframe for the “first human rejuvenation therapies,” he estimates — he calls this Milestone 2 — is seven to twenty years for the first successful mouse rejuvenation therapies (“Milestone 1”), plus around fifteen years, for a total of 22 to 35 years.
He goes on:
Of all my predictions, this is the one that most thoroughly stuns most people — and, I claim, for the least justified reasons. My logic here is pretty simple:
- When we reach milestone 2, those with access to the relevant therapies will have an absolutely non-increasing risk of death per unit time — they will not age. This is because we will be identifying, characterising and solving aspects of aging that appear at progressively later ages, faster than they progress to a life-threatening state. We have no idea at present what we will need to do to keep 200-year-olds hale and hearty, but that’s OK, because we won’t need that information for at least another 100 years. If we just pay attention to things that begin to appear in 180-year-olds as soon as we have any, as well as in 80-year-old chimpanzees as soon as we have them, and given the amount of effort we’ll be putting in, our chances of perpetually keeping one step ahead of the problem are very good.
- At present, the risk of death per unit time that Westerners experience in their early teens is such that if it were maintained indefinitely we would live to around 1000 years on average. (This calculation has been done many times with different data and some people get 700, some 1200; 1000 is a fair consensus.)
After some paragraphs of basic but intense mathematical prose having to do with what Dr. de Grey calls the “life extension escape velocity,” he says:
If you’ve read this page from the top, you will now understand my frustration when people persist in ridiculing me for saying that we will in a few decades have therapies that will let us live to 1000, when I don’t say that at all.
Er, okay.
If you’re interested further in the work of the MFoundation, as they call it, I encourage you to visit their site; they’ve made a lot of information available, including explanations of how achieving this goal will not — or need not — effect an overpopulation crisis.
Myself, well, maybe I’m already too old to appreciate this. I’m not interested in dying anytime soon, y’know, but I love having lived — having lived with the knowledge that I will eventually die, and die (in the grand scheme of things) within a fairly short time. It provides incentive, see? It impels me to do certain things and to avoid others — to be selective. If I could live for 5000 years, and even if I remained physically and mentally healthy, and even given my natural state of restless curiosity, I still just don’t think I’d find the last millennium, say, as interesting as any of the ones that came before it.
I know, I know. Fuddy-duddy.
[If you’re less interested in philosophy and the science of (not) aging than you are in its tabloid aspects, you might prefer the ghoulish satisfactions of another site to which the Slate article points us: the (New York) CityRag ‘s gallery called the “Celebrity Plastic Surgery Explosion.”]
Kate Lord Brown says
Who’d want to live for 5000 years in the same body (or on the same planet etc etc – let’s face it, anything beyond today is sheer guess work and a leap of faith)? Isn’t that what reincarnation is for?
marta says
Having just hit that 40 year milestone and done the expected contemplate-getting-old-losing-my-youth thing, I can say I am perplexed why anyone would really want to live 5000 years. Yes, I want to get my full time in, but I’m with you about knowing that there is a, um, deadline.
This may sound silly, but have you ever watched the new Doctor Who or Torchwood? These shows have the recurring theme of death/mortality and the like. Characters who try to live forever or at least out of their normal timeline are always in for trouble. There is one character who can’t die, and if you watch the show, you do not envy him.
John says
Kate: I think (looking ahead to marta’s comment) we’re all on the same page about this.
When The Missus and I first began seeing each other, we had completely separate — and very different — past-life moments; “recollections” I guess you could call them. Without for now going into their details, I will say that a true lifespan of thousands of years seems to me a heck of a lot less interesting than even the imagined prospect of multiple decades-long opportunities to try it again.
marta: Truthfully, I go back and forth… not about the fact of a deadline (heh) at all, but about “not having enough time” to — well, to complete something really honest-to-God important to me. (Without kids of my own, maybe I’m just sublimating.)
I watched the Doctor in one of his earlier incarnations, when he was played by Tom Whatzisname — the one with the long scarf? Have seen Torchwood referred to a lot of times but had never bothered to learn something about it until just now (via Wikipedia). Cool! (We’re long-time X-Philes, plus I’ve got some kind of weird psychic thing for Wales, so I’d say we almost HAVE to catch up with the rest of the culture on that one. :)
Sarah says
I think an important part of growing older is coming to terms with death- and the richness that process of realization brings. Having a husband who’s a hospice nurse has taught me three things: Accept that your life span is preciously short and act accordingly. B) Dying is not the issue- physical and emotional suffering is, (see the the part about coming to terms with death) so do what you can to minimize any final suffering through good health and right action and c) whatever happens after death, there is nothing to fear.
Good for you for tackling the perspective of older people John- one of the characters in my new book is 70- not so old, but older than me by about 20 years- I like putting myself into her mindset (a good antidote to raising teenagers!!!).
marta says
Oh, that’s right! Cardiff! Wales! You have to watch Torchwood now. Really. Now, I am a wimp and some of the episodes scared the bejesus out of me, but I love Captain Jack anyway. Hope you like it.
reCAPTCHA: maintain hats
What? As is running after them or juggling them, I wonder.
John says
Sarah: I’ve got nothing but good to say about hospice. Don’t know anything about the history of the movement, but my sense is that it suddenly blossomed in the US roughly concurrently with the rise of what passes for the current state of health care here. If so, it’s one of the genuinely nice outcomes of that often inhumane paper-driven system.
marta: LOVE the reCAPTCHA! Too bad I can’t reply that mine is something like “maintain waters,” but alas — it’s only a lady twirling a parasol in France: Mlle Nardon.
Eileen Wiedbrauk says
Waaaaay too awkward for me to contemplate. I’ll stick to “planning” the next five years — those are ambiguous and momentous enough for me. And let’s not even get into death and dying, those are still roadblocks, not hurdles in my psychology. … but interesting to project onto other people and Rip Van Winkle there with his theories.
John says
Eileen: I think you’ve got a few years before you really, really, REALLY need to give this much thought. Er, unless, that is, being in an academic program ages you faster? :)